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 Topic: Is there a future for QuickPDF?Posted: 19 Mar 17 at 8:26AM |
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Debenu's QuickPDF library used to get an annual update, and often minor bug fix releases along the way. But there haven't been any new releases for a while.
I paid for an annual subscription since that seemed to be the only way to continue on a royalty-free basis, but I'm wondering how worthwhile that is given the lack of updates. Also, Foxit, the new owner, have their own PDF SDK -- which doesn't seem to be royalty free -- so I'm wondering if there's any future for QuickPDF or if it will be killed off in favor of Foxit's own product? |
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Ingo
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Posted: 19 Mar 17 at 12:21PM |
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Rowan told me that QP won't die 'cause the Foxit-products are made for a higher price segment instead of QP for the low cost segment. But it's like it is ... the Debenu team are working inside Foxit and so it can be that QP runs beside.
Cheers and welcome here, Ingo |
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Posted: 20 Mar 17 at 6:47PM |
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The interesting test, for Delphi users without source code, will be how soon the upcoming new Delphi 10.2 release gets supported. Even before Foxit there was sometimes quite a long delay, though it usually arrived before we were ready to update the compiler.
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Posted: 23 Mar 17 at 3:49PM |
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Well, I fear it's a dead product now.
 We have paid subscription with support but every support question is simply ignored. If you ask them back some weeks later, they promise to have a look for it and only once I got a response. It's my opinion, that they have no one that is able to maintain the code. The last support call was about a serious performance issue with named destinations. I sent them what to do to fix this issue but: no response since one month.  |
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Ingo
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Posted: 23 Mar 17 at 5:05PM |
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Hi Uli :)
Debenu has developed the product together with a Czech developer team. Since a few months, the Debenu team (Karl, Rowan and Susanna) have taken over leading positions at Foxit. I suspect that Debenu has now separated from the Czech developer team and the development of QuickPDF runs slowly down first. Until some time ago, I had a few times contact to Rowan (via LinkedIn). For half a year there is nothing. We have had this lack of support many years ago with the previous owner (Kevin Newman) of QuickPDF. At that time, we joined together and continued the further development ourselves. Let's see what moves through this thread now ;-) Edited by Ingo - 23 Mar 17 at 5:08PM |
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Posted: 23 Mar 17 at 5:11PM |
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Hi Uli,
this is a support forum for users from users ;-) ... and here are source code owners, too. So you could post your solution (regarding the performance issue) here? |
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Posted: 24 Mar 17 at 8:51AM |
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Hi Ingo,
sure I can. It is an issue that happens on documents with some thousands of named destinations. So open unit DebenuPDFLibraryNameTree source code from 13.11 on methods NumTreeLookup, NameTreeLookup and NumTreeSet there is a variable S declared and only filled with Names.Output, Nums.Output or Tree.Output. But this value is never used in remaining code. So I guess it is some kind of debug code that was accidentally left. But creating this output costs a lot of run time when having a large number of named destinations. So just comment out the lines
This small changes reduced the loading time from 12 minutes down to 2 minutes on a special large PDF. Have a nice weekend! Uli |
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Posted: 28 Mar 17 at 1:55PM |
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this is a very disappointing future for an excellent product :-(
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Posted: 28 Mar 17 at 6:23PM |
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If you're a programmer with a source licence it does not have to be the end ;-)
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Posted: 28 Mar 17 at 9:31PM |
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We used to resell QuickPDF Library to Clarion developers since the iSed days. Most of the times developers would use just some small subset of the functionaity like silent PDF printing, form filling, inserting images in PDF. Zero licenses sold after QPL was aquired by FoxIt. Some time ago I recommended QPL to one Clarion developer but he was quoted $4000.00 per developer per year for the "External Use"
license. He needed just to include PDF signing in hus desktop application. This is just ridiculous. Looks like they just want to squeeze the last dime from a product which is not getting developed any more |
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Posted: 28 Mar 17 at 9:49PM |
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When the Foxit takeover was started Rowan from Debenu told me that the Foxit sdk and QuickPDF are for a different kind of customer and so there will be a chance for both pdf sdks but now i begin to doubt,too :( We'll wait and see... Edited by Ingo - 30 Mar 17 at 8:30PM |
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Posted: 28 Mar 17 at 10:00PM |
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I have the same situation with Viewer. Formerly I was able to buy upgrades for Viewer, year by year. I'm using it only for one small project which I selling for about 40 clients, which gives me about $6000 incomes per year, and for that currently I'm not able to buy upgrades for Viewer. Currently I have old annual subscription for QPDF, but currently I do not see any updates, and I'm looking in a future, with small hope in my eyes. |
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Here you can find description how to test my examples:
http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2932&PID=12600&title=drawcapturedpagematrix-matrix-howto#12600 |
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Posted: 28 Mar 17 at 10:05PM |
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When first time I get email with commercial notes about Foxit PDF SDK I was intrested to take a closer look at the documentation. And what I saw is that Foxit PDF SDK , It is not an interesting product for me as it contains far less possibilities in relation to QPDF + VIEWER. I do not know maybe I read the documentation wrong, after all, I'm a self taught, so programming and English. Regards, mLipok |
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Here you can find description how to test my examples:
http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2932&PID=12600&title=drawcapturedpagematrix-matrix-howto#12600 |
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Posted: 29 Mar 17 at 6:50AM |
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For the viewer we've switched to the WPViewPDF from wpcubed
http://www.wpcubed.com/pdf/products/pdfviewer/
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Ingo
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Posted: 29 Mar 17 at 6:47PM |
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for a customer project i've inserted simple viewer functionality with the "normal" QuickPDF ... ;-)
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Posted: 29 Mar 17 at 9:31PM |
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Do you use something like my _QPDF_Display()
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Here you can find description how to test my examples:
http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2932&PID=12600&title=drawcapturedpagematrix-matrix-howto#12600 |
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Posted: 29 Mar 17 at 9:45PM |
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Hi Michal,
no it's internal functionality with the properties and functions from the objects TMemoryStream and TBitmap. As well as the RenderPageToStream from QuickPDF. |
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Posted: 29 Mar 17 at 11:00PM |
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I have opened a support request asking for an estimate for when they will have Delphi 10.2 support. However I have also started contingency planning for not having the library available, especially since we cannot justify purchasing the source code. Most of our applications involve rendering PDFs to image formats, and we are finding that the PDFium Component Suite from www.winsoft.sk does almost all of we need in this area (and some others). Not nearly as comprehensive as QuickPDF, not as much documentation, but it is fast and accurate, as well as very affordable. And of course the PDFium DLL which it uses originates from Foxit. Nevertheless if we see timely updates and support from Foxit for QuickPDF we are still likely to renew support at the end of the year.
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 10:50AM |
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Well, there's a surprise! Very pleased to see that 13.12 is out already with Delphi Tokyo support and a list of enhancements and fixes! That should answer some of the questions raised above. Downloading now...
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 2:37PM |
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We've updated Quick PDF Library to include support for #delphi 10.2, #zugferd invoicing, and more. Learn more: https://t.co/6GflPKUnqK
I've got it from twitter :) Edited by Ingo - 30 Mar 17 at 8:29PM |
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 11:00PM |
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http://www.debenu.com/blog/category/quick-pdf-library
Posted: 29 Mar 2017 10:23 PM PDT :) Humor mi się poprawił. |
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Here you can find description how to test my examples:
http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2932&PID=12600&title=drawcapturedpagematrix-matrix-howto#12600 |
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Posted: 30 Mar 17 at 11:08PM |
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In what sens you mean internal ? Do you have source license for delphi, and you include it into your own version ? |
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Here you can find description how to test my examples:
http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2932&PID=12600&title=drawcapturedpagematrix-matrix-howto#12600 |
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Posted: 31 Mar 17 at 7:50AM |
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To your two questions: Yes and No ;-)
I use RenderPageToStream and the other things are common functionalities you can use with any main ide. |
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Posted: 31 Mar 17 at 8:16AM |
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In case anyone hasn't noticed, a new version of the library was released. Version 13.12.
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Posted: 31 Mar 17 at 9:35AM |
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haha...
Here is it what I like we are talking like a community - not always about main topic :) |
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Here you can find description how to test my examples:
http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2932&PID=12600&title=drawcapturedpagematrix-matrix-howto#12600 |
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Posted: 31 Mar 17 at 12:25PM |
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Cause even politicians are using twitter i've thought i should do it, too ;-)
I began to follow Debenu and nearly the next day i've got these fine message about 13.12 :) |
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We use Gnostice for viewing. They are adding more and more features - perhaps there will soon be enough to switch... although the quick release of 13.12 is encouraging :-)
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