Debenu Quick PDF Library - PDF SDK Community Forum : other royalty free pdf libraries http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 04 May 2026 10:10:52 +0000 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:29:35 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 11.01 360 www.quickpdf.org/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=609 <![CDATA[Debenu Quick PDF Library - PDF SDK Community Forum]]> http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/forum_images/QPDF_Forum_Title.png http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/ <![CDATA[other royalty free pdf libraries : bradjensen wrote:That&#039;s...]]> http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2817.html#2817 Author: chicks
Subject: 609
Posted: 23 Jan 07 at 1:29PM

Originally posted by bradjensen bradjensen wrote:

That's funny, I missed the links in Adobe Reader that lead to the source code for the GPLed code.


There is a very long list of GPL, MPL, Apache, JPEG-2000, OpenLDAP, U.C. Regents, etc. open source licenses in Reader 7.0, but they've been removed in Reader 8.0. Don't know how Adobe gets away without including the notices now, perhaps they post them on their website.
]]> Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:29:35 +0000 http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2817.html#2817 <![CDATA[other royalty free pdf libraries : That&#039;s funny, I missed the...]]> http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2815.html#2815 Author: bradjensen
Subject: 609
Posted: 23 Jan 07 at 1:01PM

That's funny, I missed the links in Adobe Reader that lead to the source code for the GPLed code.]]> Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:01:29 +0000 http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2815.html#2815 <![CDATA[other royalty free pdf libraries : I hate freezing rain! We had a...]]> http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2806.html#2806 Author: Michel_K17
Subject: 609
Posted: 23 Jan 07 at 1:40AM

    I hate freezing rain! We had a lot of damage from that last year, and, I am a survivor of the "Ice Storm of the Century" of 1999 in Montreal: that was really bad. Some folks lost power for 4 weeks when the power line towers crumbled.

Anyway, we got 4 inches of snow: it's melting nicely now.

    The Adobe copyright notice is indeed rather long, but, as mentioned, does include various GPL software, at least v7 had a long list. I see that they have simplified their text for v8 of the Reader. I am wondering if it is because the new v8 introduces new technology for them.

    Cheers!

]]> Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:40:29 +0000 http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2806.html#2806 <![CDATA[other royalty free pdf libraries : I can&#039;t tell from the Aobe...]]> http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2795.html#2795 Author: bradjensen
Subject: 609
Posted: 22 Jan 07 at 2:26AM

I can't tell from the Aobe about box which of the copyright notices they include refer to open source, so I don't have much of an opinion on this. Most of the notices seem to be required notices by indivdual developers , teams and commercial packages that are not GPL.
 
If I were an 800 pound gorilla like Adobe, perhaps I would be less concerned about the open liability created by open soruce licenses.
 
But I am not/
]]> Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:26:52 +0000 http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2795.html#2795 <![CDATA[other royalty free pdf libraries : Not much snow, just rain. Last...]]> http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2794.html#2794 Author: bradjensen
Subject: 609
Posted: 22 Jan 07 at 2:18AM

Not much snow, just rain. Last week it was freezing rain, particularly bad up at the lake house on Grand Lake, tore one of my treest in half, brought down limbs that were 8 inches thick. Missed the house, fortunately.]]> Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:18:21 +0000 http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2794.html#2794 <![CDATA[other royalty free pdf libraries : I read the MPL, it is unintelligible...]]> http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2793.html#2793 Author: bradjensen
Subject: 609
Posted: 22 Jan 07 at 2:16AM

I read the MPL, it is unintelligible to me. It's the same problem I had the last time I read it.
 
I read the interpretation of the license on the iText site, and I really don't understand it either, but it doesn't matter what they say, since a court will interpret the license, not someone's interpretation of the license.
 
The MPL license is so verbose and obscure, it creates unneccsary uncertainty. A commercial enterprise using code that is subject to the MPL, is, in my opinion, opening themselves up to the psossibility of extremely expensive litigation -0 and in today's jury award climate , the possibility of large losses.
 
That's why the commercial PDF libraries are getting away with charging thousands of dollars per server.  A large company with a competent legal department is going to turn thumbs down on MPL-licensed software.
 
Here's an example of the obguscation in this agreement:
 
"  3.7. Larger Works.
     You may create a Larger Work by combining Covered Code with other code
     not governed by the terms of this License and distribute the Larger
     Work as a single product. In such a case, You must make sure the
     requirements of this License are fulfilled for the Covered Code."
 
That could mean just about anything, particularly as the 'requirements of this license' are horribly convoluted and unclear.
 
What I would need to use the library as a library (object verison) would be a no-gotchas, clear statement that I can use the library without restrictions and without opening myself to litigation from the developers. I would then use the library, give the user the link to the itext development site, with the warning that if they use any version of itext not provided by me, or make any source code changes to the liText ibrary,  we will not be able to support our product for them.
 
It can't just be the opinions of the developer as stated on their web pages, it really has to be in the license agreement itself.
 
As to JAVA in big companies, I remember PowerBuilder, Cold Fusion, Lotus Notes, and many other development environments. Most of them still exist.
 
I've worked with JAVA-based terminal emulation software, and it is a horrible hack, apparently impossible to integrate with, disobeying Windows apis, etc.
 
I suspect what oyu are referring to is J2EE used as a web development system.
 
 
 
]]> Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:16:21 +0000 http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2793.html#2793 <![CDATA[other royalty free pdf libraries : Ingo, It&#039;s very possible...]]> http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2788.html#2788 Author: chicks
Subject: 609
Posted: 21 Jan 07 at 2:56PM

Ingo,

It's very possible to sell software that uses open-source libraries without opening your source. It all depends on the particular license used. The GPL, as the iText link above points out, is very restrictive, so the iText developers added the much less restrictive LGPL and MPL.

Many companies sell software that uses open-source libraries without having to open their source. For example, in Adobe Reader, click on Help/About Adobe Reader 7, then Patent and Legal Notices. You'll see a list of licenses for dozens of open-source libraries used by Adobe Reader and Acrobat, but you can bet that Adobe won't be opening the source to Reader or Acrobat anytime soon.
]]> Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:56:47 +0000 http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2788.html#2788 <![CDATA[other royalty free pdf libraries : Hi Brad, How much snow did...]]> http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2784.html#2784 Author: Michel_K17
Subject: 609
Posted: 21 Jan 07 at 1:23PM

Hi Brad,

    How much snow did you get? Smile


]]> Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:23:11 +0000 http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2784.html#2784 <![CDATA[other royalty free pdf libraries : Hi!Brad wanna sell his solution...]]> http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2783.html#2783 Author: Ingo
Subject: 609
Posted: 21 Jan 07 at 1:10PM

Hi!
Brad wanna sell his solution and that's not possible with open source-software 'cause he don't want to sell HIS sources, too.
My company is working with open source software, too. Typo 3, Java, ... But we don't sell this software ... we sell our knowledge in implementing and using this software to our customers.
Best regards,
Ingo

]]> Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:10:40 +0000 http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2783.html#2783 <![CDATA[other royalty free pdf libraries : Nice rant, but I suggest you read...]]> http://www.quickpdf.org/forum/other-royalty-free-pdf-libraries_topic609_post2782.html#2782 Author: chicks
Subject: 609
Posted: 21 Jan 07 at 11:56AM

Nice rant, but I suggest you read their reasons for not using the GPL, which your rant appears to be about.

BTW, Java is now open source, and it the #1 development environment of large corporations. Apache products have always been open source, and are also widely used by large corporations.
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